Folio Infernum: I feel like we HAVE to have missed this. Ending: Entries 203-205 are all obviously the different endings to the campaign. But we cant keep making our own fun. This allows some strategic work, as some players are fighting, some are dragging, and some are magically moving. Co-op:The co-op rules have also been getting more complex, and this time we non-traitors have a three-part process: (step i) find and memorize runes; (step ii) make a crib for an evil baby; and (step iii) kill the evil baby. Skip Navigation Accessibility Feedback Toggle Sidebar Show Menu. So, we select for items and against omens, under the theory that its 80% likely to benefit each of us. Efficient. Were terrified of the traitor, so we immediately move on to stepii, where we engage in tactical cooperation (like we theoretically could have in Chapter One if wed been better equipped) to kill her. If you want to play through the story again, you'll need to buy an entirely new copy. But, as noted before, its minor. Its what wed call an overlord (like the oppositional player in games like Descent or Mansions of Madness 1e), not a proper traitor (like the oppositional player in Shadows over Camelot and Battlestar Galactica). We didnt think it was going to happen in game 8. . At the start of the Haunt in Game 4, the chosen player will have healed all their traits, and anyone else on that branch of the Helm will have healed 1 of their traits. It was such a great way to walk off. So my group and I just played chapter 12 and since we crossed out chapter 13 at some point months ago (Due to unfinished painting event) I guess we are done? Even inCharterstone, which has some problems with simple play enforcing player tactics, players can at least see the buildings they constructed. This one is YOURS. Geeking out so you dont have to, but ummm, you will anyways, right? I enjoyed the game, but havent gotten to a place where Im ready to buy a second copy and go back into that house. Alternatively I think something along the lines of having a couple people chanting I am the key master while others chant I am the gatekeeper. Our first clue is a really big number on Octavia (we think its a 9, but it turns out to be a 6). To a certain extent,Betrayal Legacyis starting to drag for us. We never managed to get the third check on any of the other weapons. This is the first game that entirely clicked for us, and thats in large part because the amount of time before the haunt has been increasing each game: there was only one omen in the first game, two in the second, and three in the third, pushing the Haunt back a little each time. We just chanted "helmmmm" this time, but discussed Baby Shark and Highway to Helm. There is still some strategic play, with several players running around and smashing so that a final player can INVOKE to close the portal, but its still a big step down from Chapters Two and Three, which had multi-stage strategic cooperation that we thought would be the new normal for the game, but which has largely disappeared in the games since. One mission immediately starts with a haunt, for example. If other people who have finished can point out something we may have missed, or possibly a WoG or errata related to these, it would be much appreciated. Once youve completed the game youll have removed a number of cards from the decks as well as added many new ones. To be fair this one wasnt revealed during the story so much as at the very end. To be fair we knew something bad was going to happen to whoever used the Helm; that was obvious. Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture The ghosts increasingly haunting the house possess the furniture this session, and we have to burn it in a fire before it kills us. Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Its tons of fun, with a great story, and really interesting mechanics. Its probably not giving too much away to say that generic man/woman icons are used for a reason, as there will be new NPCs throughout the campaign. Join our community! By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Mind you,Betrayal Legacysuffers somewhat from the lack of task stabilization discussed on page 88 ofMeeples Together: every time someone attacks a foe, the foe gets an opportunity to attack them back. In the prologue, we explored the House for the first time, then when a Chalice of Insanity was uncovered, we all tried to kill each other under the (false) theory that we were cooperating to kill a hidden traitor. I still dont know what happened to any of them. Still, were always going to remember the murderer who took over the house. The arrival of the Helm. Part of that was learning the story elements that will return in future games, including the rooms that make up the house (and its grounds), as well as items. It was so fast and so brutal how the game and the Helm turned on us. Balanced. Certainly, theres a plotted story that theyre interacting with, but they can still look at the game and the board and see the changes they chose to make. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. We do. Not only do we get a Sickle of War Legacy item to its appropriate family but the player then uses it to kill the evil baby! So somewhere after Haunt 6, something should have told us to open door 3 in the folio infernum and get access to, and start placing gate stickers? You put one sticker on as part of the setup for chapter 3, but we aren't sure if you put a sticker on when you first pull The first mission does a perfect job of setting the tone for the rest of Betrayal Legacy, and serves as a good reminder to keep yourselves guessing about what's to come. This left us with nopracticalway to cooperate, because no one could do much against the axe murderer. InBetrayal Legacy it felt like this slow ramp-up negatively affected two crucial system: the Legacy elements and the cooperative play. In fact when were down to our last piece of furniture, its increasingly obvious were going to win, which is never a great thing a round out in a co-op game. The Helm gives you a really great bonus of a reroll once per game and marking the helm with a family crest, which can give you story beats and other bonuses. In summary: fans of the originalBetrayalwill like theLegacyversion. . You destroy the deed. I will hide the exact purpose of it under a Spoiler tag, for those that want to start the game unknowing. If youve never tried a Betrayal game then I suggest seeking out and giving the original a chance with the knowledge that some of the things that dont work there have been tweaked for the Legacy game. So I removed some of the edges (and in the process made it round instead of hexagonal). Meanwhile, we also knew the house and thus were aware of things like there was an Omen space in the Outside and that the last Ground Floor tile was going to reveal a secret door. We often found the original game too random, and we felt like the long turns and variable length games often resulted in some or all players never getting off their feet, and so not getting to really experience the adventurous elements of the game. The second set of miniatures. Of course, if you didn't find Betrayal at House on the Hill to be fun, you might not love Betrayal Legacy. The problem is that theyre very punishing, often causing damage, often pushing the players ever onward, hoping to avoid the worst. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. Our only big surprise is finding out more about the helm, as we learn it can be used to select a player, which means that players that use its power more are more likely to be selected. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. The arrival of the Helm. Will Betrayal Legacy match our love of the classic horror? You have been warned. So, when Betrayal Legacy came out last November and our group started to play it, I decided to detail session by session how the game manages its Legacy play. We do, he does, and the good guys win for the first time ever. This shows us that a branch of many colours is a way of sharing the benefits at these times. I designed this as an altar to hold the Helm, such that its magnificence can be properly beheld by all in attendance. I am sure you will have noticed that it is full of empty spaces that are just the right shape to hold Crest stickers. Cookie Notice Truly this thing is pleasing, but is nothing before the . And Betrayal Legacywas just more of the same. In other words, wed wanted to see if the Otherworlds were interesting enough to get us to continue play, and if anything, they moved the game in the opposite direction. But the Prologue didnt have any late-game cooperation either, since everyone is just trying to kill each other. Tabletop and card game design. The major bit of Legacy in this Chapter is that we get a whole new major mechanic. So, go us. This time around, we discover theres a secret cult working out of the house, and we need to discover and kill their leader. As we discovered, this results indifferent cards being added to decks (for future play) depending on who won this particular game. Has the added benefit of permitting the Helm to be moved without sullying it with our unworthy human fingers. Nobody owned the house anymore and the story reflected it. That small piece of paranoia was just perfectly placed. No, we still dont know what this means, but were told the next Chapter will be Part II of the game. we looked through the purgatory deck, through the tomb. The other worlds open. As it turns out, the cooperation ofBetrayal Legacyramps up in complexity and meaningfulness over the first four or so sessions of play, but this was not a great first look for a game that was supposed to be a co-op. There were two more interactive Legacy mechanics. The game once more degenerates into a big fight, but this time its us vs. him, instead of everyone for himself. I like the idea of revisiting the baby shark chant. Then they started talking. However the ramp-up of the cooperation may have been more problematic, as we moved through: (p) no cooperation; (1) tactical fighting; (2) minimal strategic cooperation; and (3) multi-stage strategic cooperation. Press J to jump to the feed. Figure 2-2: These characters will remain with us (when we dont murder them). This was easy to figure out we just didnt realize when it would happen. The more mechanical Legacy elements didnt impact our play much. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. Overall, we have a good time early in this game, again because of the increased length of the early game, but the fight-focused Haunt feels a bit rudimentary. Well probably find the new additions from this game even more memorable, because there are a few mirror-related events as well as a tile that actually gets stickered over(!). Every one of these had three boxes. I know we're being dumb. My friend John had the Crossbow as a family heirloom. We did encounter a few rules snags while playing, but if you just go with the story and as a group decide on what sounds the most fun and fair way to figure out the problem, you'll be fine. We split up trying to solve runes while at the same time keeping our big Knowledge guy in the background to make the crib. But the mechanic that gave us the ability to walk through a hole in space to find new dimensions, items, and curses was a really great jump. So, well see repercussions of this game, mainly in new ways that the house is haunted, for the rest of our campaign. This will create particular areas in our house that are haunted. Many legacy games are designed for one playthrough of the campaign, and that holds true for Betrayal Legacy. Tabletop and card game design. We come under attack from a disease, which sends us search the Otherworlds, because thats the new mechanic. Sadly, its again pretty rudimentary cooperation. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. And then we get to the haunt and theres no traitor. So what do you think? We want to push on and play chapter 13 but will it not work for some reason because of elements we would have destroyed or something? Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. Legacy:Obviously, all you can do in the first game of a Legacy campaign is set up Legacy elements. Asmallbit of additional Legacy was introduced in this second game because the game (theoretically) could be won by either the traitor or the cooperators. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. Back to the house. Im not saying we didnt suspect what was going on in that first game. We maximize our health tactically, and that lets us find the cure in the nick of time. You can only Heirloom a maximum of 9 Items during the Campaign. Another starts with certain tiles of the board already discovered. Not a great second look for a co-op game. There are many new mechanics and twists I would love to talk about, but doing so would dampen the excitement for players who haven't discovered them yet. They not only name them, but also put stickers on them that will provide special benefits in future games but only if they actually draw the items, or are given them. But we didint feel like the Legacy added much to the original game, and if anything, it really underplayed and underused its Legacyelements. We stream live on twitch at twitch.tv/QuestsAndChaos every Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday evenings in PST (Pacific Time Zone) We werecertainthat none of us were a witch, and yet we also werent. Jo. Betrayal Legacy is now available wherever board games are sold. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The #1 Reddit source for news, information, and discussion about modern board games and board game culture. This also feeds into another entry later on. We end up screwing this game up, but it feels better than the others mainly because its got some clever mechanics that allow us some agency and because weuse that agency to screw up. Mind you, the Haunt feels a bit more rudimentary than the last two, because its all tactical combat. So place your sticker on a branch that doesnt already contain one of your colour. Drop a comment below and Ill compile a commenters list at some point in the future. You can never go wrong with a ghostbusters reference. and our An Item can only be an Heirloom for one player. Rules additions are a major element of Legacy games, and they can add a lot so well see what the next game brings. Privacy Policy. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. You have been warned. Folio infernum door 6 has the mystic elevator behind it. Figure 4-2: We always remember the previous Omen cards, but the rest of the decks have almost no Legacy meaning to us. we play the game and win (woohoo) and no rules come up for gates. The more focused approach to haunts in Betrayal Legacy, as opposed to Betrayal at House on the Hill's randomized approach, allows for more creative storytelling and game manipulation. Come discuss games like Codenames, Wingspan, Terra Mystica, and all your other favorite games! With that said, our cooperative experience was a bit subpar: our haunt happened very early, which means that we didnt have much time to collect weapons beforehand. Thats because theres no way to provide help in the Otherworlds, and once the resources are recovered, theyre mostly in the form of curses that cant be traded away. It's not a surprise that it's in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know it's in the bottom of the box. The problem is that theres not much cooperation other than the groups accumulation of resources toward success. Once you finish the campaign and have fully realized your house there was a warm feeling of finality to the experience. Sure, over the course of the game we see a few Legacy items, but they again never get to the right people. boardgame geek. This should easily print with no supports and minimal infill, outside of how large it is, this is a . Join Thomas Koch, James Aaron Oh, Ezra Denney, Sai, Grant Corvin as they playthrough the Actual Play GamePlay of Betrayal Legacy.-Support The Channel- Join our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/questsandchaos Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/questsandchaos Join our discord: https://discord.gg/7gJKxnv T-shirts, mugs, coasters and more available at: https://questsandchaos.com/merch Get Betrayal Legacy: https://amzn.to/2LPpBgB#HowToPlay #BoardGames #PlaythroughEzra Denney | https://www.twitter.com/EzraWontTweet Grant Corvin | https://twitter.com/JackRhienSaiJames Aaron Oh | https://www.twitter.com/JamesAaronOhThomas Koch | https://twitter.com/ThomasAKochQuests and Chaos features tabletop content including Dungeons Dragons, Call of Cthulhu, Board Games, and gaming industry interviews. Did you like the same ones as me or were there others that really stood out to you? . Betrayal Legacy is a gaming experience I will never forget. Betrayal Legacy is a legacy game, based on Betrayal at House on the Hill. Youre in the house from the original game. It's even possible to keep your character from a previous game, assuming they made it out of the mission alive. Legacy games are designed to be played multiple times as each game can alter the experience for the next one. This ensures players will have the tiles needed to finish each mission, and helps tell each mission's story and add to the worldbuilding. This time around theres some bloody doll thats trying to do some blood ritual to become all powerful, or something like that. Legacy: Yes, we continue to recognize cards and tiles. However, what gets really fun is when it shows up at the end of game 3 and you read the rules. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Or could I make someone else reroll their dice? 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